tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post5607561331343715885..comments2023-07-08T08:03:30.775-04:00Comments on GemWise Moved to http://www.thefrenchblue.com/rww_blog: Drama In The Desert: ISG Seminar---A Dry Hole!Richard W. Wisehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02088702432299414336noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-22184022970711603942009-02-15T11:14:00.000-05:002009-02-15T11:14:00.000-05:00Alain,Excellent analogy, you are quite right about...Alain,<BR/><BR/>Excellent analogy, you are quite right about the damage being done by <BR/>this sort of knee-jerk, take no prisoners approach to gemology.<BR/><BR/>I will be posting again soon. I read with interest the statements made by Ted Themelis. <BR/><BR/>"olleagues,<BR/>I read RJ newsletter forwarded to me by another colleague. As for as I am concern, RJ does not deserve my reply or any Richard W. Wisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088702432299414336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-53908011613451809032009-02-13T10:35:00.000-05:002009-02-13T10:35:00.000-05:00Stewart wrote:Consider it this way. What would you...Stewart wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>Consider it this way. What would you do if you heard that your favorite brand of peanut butter may or may not be filled with salmonella? You'd go buy something else right? You wouldn't take chances on any kind of peanut butter.</I><BR/><BR/>I think that is the best analogy used so far.<BR/><BR/>Richard; I would to hear some of the quotes. Just for my amusement.<BR/><BR/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-79587021042708941182009-02-13T07:53:00.000-05:002009-02-13T07:53:00.000-05:00All,I note that in a recent post, ISG claims that ...All,<BR/><BR/>I note that in a recent post, ISG claims that most of the gemological community agrees with James' conclusions. The level of intellectual dishonesty here is appalling. Quite the opposite is true, I assure you. I see also that now that Ted Themelis has jumped ship, James is, once again, publishing old emails. <BR/><BR/>After the seminar I spoke with Richard Hughes, Lore Kiefert, Richard W. Wisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088702432299414336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-85047682928735449782009-02-13T06:38:00.000-05:002009-02-13T06:38:00.000-05:00While this might be off topic:The thai gem "cooker...While this might be off topic:<BR/><BR/>The thai gem "cookers" in Chantaburi are lite-years ahead of available and cost effective diagnostics which are able to definitively tell what they did. <BR/><BR/>They spend HOURS, comparing notes, seeing what works, and burning gem rough to see what enhancements they can get from different chemicals. It is not so much a science but at ART form. After Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-12156074340470481782009-02-13T02:40:00.000-05:002009-02-13T02:40:00.000-05:00I'd like to know which "industry leaders" agree wi...I'd like to know which "industry leaders" agree with RJ. Can we have names of real people instead of some vague generalization? From the sounds of the comments that were made to Richard after the seminar, it wasn't any of the named industry leaders he spoke to.<BR/><BR/>One might ask oneself why the GIA and AGTA declined to work with him. Perhaps they didn't want to lend the weight of their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-46556242544598902172009-02-13T00:44:00.000-05:002009-02-13T00:44:00.000-05:00Interesting...I wasn't able to attend the seminar,...Interesting...I wasn't able to attend the seminar, I figured my money would be better spent in going to Thailand and going to Chanthaburi. I don't think I was disappointed at all.<BR/><BR/>It's interesting to see how quickly this has polarized the industry. I'm still pretty new in the gem field and Tourmaline is not my forte. So most of the charts and numbers I've seen have gone completely Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-39747420397851123112009-02-12T18:27:00.000-05:002009-02-12T18:27:00.000-05:00Robin Hawk posted the following:A Fly On The Wall ...Robin Hawk posted the following:<BR/><BR/>A Fly On The Wall has left a new comment on your post "Tucson 2009, The View From The Desert":<BR/><BR/>It was great to finally meet you Richard - I have to agree with you on these Winza Rubies - exquisite!<BR/><BR/>I attended Ed Boehm's Seminar and he covered the Winza Region in it! Very informative!<BR/><BR/>Robyn Hawk<BR/>Tucson Gem Show - Live!<BR/>Richard W. Wisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088702432299414336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-40802265783528820012009-02-12T17:28:00.000-05:002009-02-12T17:28:00.000-05:00So, the bottom line on this seminar in Tucson is t...So, the bottom line on this seminar in Tucson is that nothing has been proven. Is that correct? Without definitive proof of exactly what is being done, how is anyone to take Mr. James seriously? Further, the newsletter he shot off today didnt exactly help his cause, in my opinion that is. It was a cheap shot at someone who probably didnt deserve it. Again, in light of stuff like that how does oneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-91234500582491952902009-02-12T14:28:00.000-05:002009-02-12T14:28:00.000-05:00To anyone that cares,I was at the seminar that Rob...To anyone that cares,<BR/>I was at the seminar that Rober james conducted. Maybe he is not a professional public speaker but it is not fair to conclude that there is not truth in his findings. It was never discussed that Mr. James tried to work with the GIA and AGTA in his scientific studies and they declined and now there is backlash. Many industry leaders agree with his finding Robert JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-16225338654757078592009-02-12T14:19:00.000-05:002009-02-12T14:19:00.000-05:00It looks like some at the ISG have found your post...It looks like some at the ISG have found your post, Mr. Wise... here is what one "follower" of RJ had to say:<BR/><BR/>"THE TRUTH WILL BE TOLD WHEN ROBERT IS READY AND NOT A MINUTE SOONER"<BR/><BR/>Wow... sounds like they're ready to drink the Kool-aid. Shocking how such a cult of personality has risen up. If he ends up being right about x, y, or z... he'll be right about it. This sense that he'sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-57559609826751216842009-02-12T11:29:00.000-05:002009-02-12T11:29:00.000-05:00Thank You Mr. Wise for your report on his seminar ...Thank You Mr. Wise for your report on his seminar . In this time of ecomonic down turn its really sad for the miners and the mine workers who were put under a cloud of suspicion because of what one person said , alot of money was lost due to this. You can't hurt the mine owners expect to have job teaching people gemstones if you dont know whats going on in the buisness . <BR/>Sad timesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-17914180354654306162009-02-12T10:05:00.000-05:002009-02-12T10:05:00.000-05:00Formerly Anonymous,You are right, someone should b...Formerly Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>You are right, someone should be asking about treatment. We need proactive gemology, but what we don't need is a knee-jerk gemology.<BR/><BR/>Buy synthetics?, I don't much blame you, but I guarantee you that if everyone started buying a certain type of synthetic, they became rare and the price went up, someone would start trying to fake those as well maybe figure out Richard W. Wisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088702432299414336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-52251509894582104562009-02-12T08:34:00.000-05:002009-02-12T08:34:00.000-05:00Hi Richard,I shrug at what he comes up with next t...Hi Richard,<BR/><BR/>I shrug at what he comes up with next to draw attention to himself. Such a shame that populists always find strong support in the mass.<BR/><BR/>AlainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-29807325328370721012009-02-11T22:20:00.000-05:002009-02-11T22:20:00.000-05:00Anonymous,Piretti, like most of the scientists pre...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Piretti, like most of the scientists present, was not interested in trying to explain basic scientific principles to Mr. James, who made it clear he wasn't interesting in entertaining any evidence that did not agree with his own.<BR/><BR/>In my later conversation with him, he simply said the James conclusions did not make sense. "Why", he asked, "would anyone want to turn a Richard W. Wisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088702432299414336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-15637327568204751712009-02-11T22:01:00.000-05:002009-02-11T22:01:00.000-05:00I am happy someone is asking questions about treat...I am happy someone is asking questions about treatments.<BR/>I am at the point where I am considering just buying synthetics.<BR/>That way one knows for sure if it has been messed with or not.<BR/><BR/>That the cookers are so far ahead of the labs is not a good thing for consumer confidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29861993.post-5828489447105659092009-02-11T14:33:00.000-05:002009-02-11T14:33:00.000-05:00My jaw dropped when I read RJ's response to Dr. Ad...My jaw dropped when I read RJ's response to Dr. Adolph Piretti on the element concentrations. Is he totally unable to recognize any data/information that does not conform to his conclusions? Science proceeds from data to a result, not by deciding what result one wants and going searching for data...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com